Friday, February 1, 2008

What Gurus Do When They Aren't Watching Movies:

In a test of their skills to solve problems that can only be addressed through working together, the movie folks on the Message Board decided to see if they could come up with the top ranking reviewers (actually, "influencers") in the Netflix Community. In just a few hours, they came up with 8 of the 10:



I'm impressed. Anyone know the missing pair?

32 comments:

  1. If anyone has the answers... please post a link to the user, here or on the thread on the community board so that everyone can check it out. There's no easy way to take a user name and find it in the Netflix database.

    Anyone looking to visit these top ten rankers.... visit the community board. We have links to the eight we know posted.

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  2. Do your review totals go up when you say you're "not interested" in something?

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  3. Your rating totals go up when you say you are "not interested".

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  4. I'm curious to know about this " Your rating totals go up when you say you are "not interested". "

    I believe those not interesteds count toward influence because I've seen users who have written few reviews and have only a few lists but have thousands of "rated" movies where most of those are actually not interested. They seem to have higher influence rank than the lists and reviews would give.

    I've thought about how someone rating 1000's of movies "not interested" can influence others and I don't see the connection. It certainly would influence Netflix but it shouldn't add to the community rating of the movie. Actually, I think "not interested" is not a rating at all and shouldn't be counted in the number of movies rated. It artificially inflates the number.

    Why would me marking (if I were to do that) every love story "not interested" influence anyone else? It would tell NF not to recommend those to me and it would influence the NF inventory but that's all.

    I guess it comes down to what a rating actually is. I think a rating should be an opinion on the movie after one has seen it – not an opinion on whether or not someone wants to see it.

    Do those not "interested votes" factor into the community rating by lowering the number of stars given by people who have actually seen the movie?

    What does Netflix consider a rating? Why does “not interested” count in the ratings?

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  5. I asked because I agree with Chawk. There have been occasions where I come across people who are ranked significantly higher than myself but when I compare rating I discover that the majority of their ratings are "not interested." For the reason Chawk mentioned, that just doesn't seem like an accurate way of measuring influence.

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  6. If you want to increase a reviewer's ratings for the Not Interested notations, you should give a higher heft to the increase in a reviewer's ratings when they actually rate a movie and even more when they write a review. Robowriter of Houston

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  7. Thanks Jake....

    can you give us a link to Idge888 so we can add it and others can visit?

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  8. Nevermind...

    I found it. #7 Idge888

    http://www.netflix.com/StrangerProfile?prid=93721680&lnkctr=MDP2RL

    Thanks for the help Jake.

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  9. Somewhat on the topic of "top ranking" reviewers, can Netflix possibly consider only allowing people to rate movies that have actually been finished and released? You know...stuff that really exists?

    While searching for the Young Indy dvd sets I noticed that Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which won't be released until May and is STILL IN PRODUCTION, has already been rated 197 times. I know, I should be open to the possibility that some eager viewers used psychic mind science to travel into the future and ask themselves how much they enjoyed the Movie of Tomorrow.

    It gets an average of 4.5 stars, in case you were wondering.

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  10. It also bothers me when people review films that have not come out yet (unless there was a screening and the person actually saw the movie). To be honest I sometimes flag said reviews if they don't review anything. "I can't wait to see this movie" is definately not a review and should not be in the page.

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  11. I hate reviews by Stay At Home Mothers that rate movies by how many hundreds of times their little daughters watched and loved a movie "especially the pretty horses" But they didn't like this movie cause they only watched it fifty two times..

    But life just sucks don't it

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  12. But the best ones are those reviews which rate the movie 1 star (and the movie had specified that the film was italian, spanish. russian, etc) and the review reads: "I didn't like this movie because it had subtitles. I wanna see a movie, not read it."

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  13. Yeah those are good ones. Also along those lines are the "Reviews" that say : I couldn't get the subtitles to turn off, So I didn't enjoy it like i should of!! Or The Disc for this movie showed up broken so I was unable to watch!!

    Some Humans are just Mistakes!

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  14. How about of the list of the top 50? Top 100?

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  15. "Not interested" I think, should count in the ratings, but not the overall score.

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  16. Yeah, The Top 100 List seems a bit fishy at times!! Not so sure if it is totally beleivable. I understand that the Masses probably rent the crap out of popular New Releases right when they are released. But to have them appear on a SO CALLED most Rented ever at Netflix list about a month after release! Just a little hard to beleive that it would just soar over popular movies that have been out for multiple years.

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  17. I meant, that there should be a top 100 list of members, instead of just a top 10. Out of 10 million subscribers - top ten is just ten too little, no?

    As to your thing of top 100, well, perhaps it is a top ten of what all members are renting during a give time period?

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  19. My quote:

    As to your thing of top 100, well, perhaps it is a top ten of what all members are renting during a give time period?

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    I meant, it is a top 100...

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  20. Don't know if you're still looking for this, but I will be brave enough to put it out there. IDGE888 is #7.

    http://www.netflix.com/StrangerProfile?prid=93721680&lnkctr=fsb2spro

    In the month I have been looking I have never found #9.
    mojave74

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  21. I am one who has marked a number of films "not interested", and I don't think they need to go toward my "rank--influence" number. I didn't watch them, rate them, or review them. Seems fair.

    I have also rated a quite a few, too (that happens with advancing age!).

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  22. #9 is currently being search for.

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  23. The thing is that bobborka, http://www.netflix.com/StrangerProfile?prid=384026937&lnkctr=fsb2spro, is reviewer 10, maybe yyo....is 9 now? or 11?

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  24. Michael,

    I did a personal test on reviewer rank -

    I added a new profile (queue)
    I rated each and every genre and sub-genre 5 stars. rank = 3,000,000 or so.

    I added 16 random favorites and rated 300 movies. rank = around 2,000,000

    I made no lists and wrote no reviews. My rated movies went to 600 after a couple weeks and I even got a few fans. rank = 750,000

    Next I rated as 5 stars all the 5 star favorite films of my random faves, adding 2500 or so 5 star ratings to my list.
    And then I got inspired and picked a random genre (faith and spirituality) and rated each and every item in there (about 2500) as Not Interested. total "rated" movies = 5600 and rank = 11,700

    This week I started with the genre "TV" and rated 1500 more as Not Interested. rank = 4,700 !!

    I guess my point could be that ratings of "Not Interested" should be listed separately and should also not be included in the algorithm programs that determine "reviewer rank"

    just thought you might be interestd.

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  25. Film Grrrl agrees that "not interested" ratings (sic) should be ignored in the ranking algorithm. Add genre ratings to the Ignore list. The # of films rated should have a minor effect on rankings. The big factors? (not in order) 1) "Helpful" votes on reviews (not # of reviews. This is not the Field of Dreams -- write them and they will come.) "Not helpful" should count against "helpfuls". 2) # of Friends and Faves. 3) # of page views of your reviews, profile, etc. 4) # of people adding films from your lists or reviews. 5) # of notes you send or receive.

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  26. I agree with most comments. I believe that hard work (meaning writing reviews) should count heavier for ranking, not only the number of movies you've rated. I have over 640 reviews which are a hobby of mine a a pleasure to write, but time consuming nevertheless. I am currently ranked #61 and there are people ranked above me that haven't contributed with a third of that amount. Definetly saying you're not interested in something should not count as you "ability to influence". ~ Doug Graves

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  27. These people that say they have "rated" 20,000 titles - baloney! I don't believe it. Do the math. That's TWO unique titles a day, every single day, for 25 years. Nobody is seeing two unique films a day for 25 years. Come on! I mean up until 1985 or so you really couldn't rent movies anyway.

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  28. Quote These people that say they have "rated" 20,000 titles - baloney! End quote

    Well, many rate a title as NOT INTERESTED.

    Want to know who the top rankers are each week? Then join us here: Keeping Up With the Top Reviewers Ranking on the netflix community hosted by ning.

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  29. It has been my observation that a healthy percentage of members are clueless to what 'helpful' or 'not helpful' is supposed to mean. They seem to equate the terms to 'I agree' or "I don't agree' with the reviewers take on a movie versus the context in which that opinion is expressed. Opposite opinions does not make either reviewer a 'not helpful' entity necessarily. One should save this type of mentality for a forum thread discourse... "I liked it, if you didn't, bring it!" For this general assumption, the help/not helpful component can become a statistical urination match with diminished value.IMHO.

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  30. I guess over the past couple of months, the email-help has changed to yet another corporate-minded call center.

    Since Netflix started, I grew to enjoy the email channel to contact customer service. I always heard back in a very ample time, and was happy with that.

    Now I see a 800 number. Maybe the email help is still on here (the website) but it is buried so deep I can't find it anywhere. There is this tail-chasing set-up where you end up where you started.

    Growing pains? Some idiot MBA / relative of the owners got into the mix and f'ed everything up in hopes of making it like every other wanker internet business.

    Something is going wrong on here and I hope doesn't go public and get bought up and then totally transformed into another faceless, greedy piece of crap.

    Not happy.

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  31. I want to pay my Netflix bill...where do I go to pay it??? I have looked all over this site and can't find it....where do I look?

    Thanks, Anonymous

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