So as not to totally hijack Meghan's posting about Search, this is a space for gripes (or cheers) of today's announcement concerning the Netflix support of the Blu-Ray HD format. I have little to add to the press release. Netflix has inventory of HD-DVD titles currently, and will continue to ship them to those who Queue them as possible. I think it was clear that the plan is simply not to continue to purchase that format, which over time will naturally phase out. Money that might have been spent on new titles in that format will shift to increasing inventory of the Blu-Ray titles, which will improve availability, and I believe that the end of an industry war will ultimately make more titles available and lower prices on associated hardware and software.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 248 of 248 Newer› Newest»Just to clarify, the Toshiba pulling the plug thing is just speculation. All these reports saying Hd-DVD is dead are based on one person's speculation, which is very odd.
I'm a HD-DVD customer and I am also disappointed. I took the risk and got the player, and certainly NETFLIX is probably making a business decision that is smart for the long haul.
The thing that is crazy though is not letting the current inventory stay in system for at least a year or so for some of us to at least rent them out. It would seem that it would be a free benefit to both them and us, even if they are in one location that we have to wait a day or two extra for deliveries. The decision to pull them now just seems mean quite frankly.
I understood that whatever inventory remains playable would stay in circulation until around the end of this year, but that no new HD's would be bought. Does anyone have a definitive answer on this?
xThis is facism in its most obscene form. I own an HD-DVD player and admit I was taking a risk when I bought it. I took the risk willingly as did the rest of the HD-DVD consumers. So I understand the response. I have no respect for the comments coming from Blu-ray enthusiasts who are just as ignorant as the rest. You are in the same boat as the rest of us. We all jumped the gun because we are impatient consumers. I would rather unite than complain. Its these huge corporations that control what we buy or don't buy. They control regulation, content, how we use it and they have enough money to continue to do so. Will we stop buying what they are selling? Hell no. So, unless the consumer takes a real stand, I see no end to these facists who claim they are doing us any favors. It comes down to choice and unfortunately most will eventually choose to buy in. As much as it hurts I will probably do the same. The anger will subside, we will rationalize and inevitably, they know, we will spontaneously complain about the next trap they set. Gotcha again!
The emails says they will continue to ship the current HD-DVDs for the next several months and that they will be slowly changing you HD-DVDs to DVD in your queue. They will not be ordering new HD-DVDs or replace damaged HD-DVDs. Which does sound like if it is in playable format, then they will ship it until the end of the year.
Also many people say that they always see an HD-DVD on wait, so that it means its popular. But they may have 1 HD-DVD to 4 Blu-ray, so if 2 people are requesting an HD-DVD then it does seem its popular since the 1 may be out and the other person is waiting for it and if 3 people are asking for Blu-Ray they still have 1 remaining so it is still in stock. In that case, Blu-Ray is more popular, but we can not tell since we do not know how many of a format they have available and how many people are requesting it.
Now Netflix are Fascists!?! Give me a break and yes HD-DVD's are dead. I own a Toshiba HD-DVD player that I have had to send back twice now to get fixed. Talking to the tech support on the phone they said that in a couple months they are no longer going to be offering tech support for the HD-DVD players as they are going to stop making them. I just ordered a Sony Blu-Ray player-- the movie selection is MUCH better. Sure Netflix doesn't mind a few hundred people cancelling over something stupid like this. The HD selection was very poor anyway. Not much difference watching the movies in DVD.
@Amit - Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't get the e-mail.
And for anyone that hasn't seen this yet and needs a brief respite from the alternating hand wringing and "na-na-nanah"ing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB2e7pfZmGA&feature=related
If Netflix continues with this BLU thing I and am sure many others will not be able to use this wonderful service!!! I am not about to purchase ANOTHER player when I already have a video and two dvd plus a computer which plays dvds! I have enjoyed renting movies since I am not able to get to a theater very much. If you continue on this line alot of us will have go back to our local stores to rent. When this does occur I hope you will let us know of other places on line where we can continue to rent dvds since we will have to cancel our subscription to Netflix
"...I hope you will let us know of other places on line where we can continue to rent dvds...""
Oh yes, I'm sure they'll get right back to you on that.
But on a positive note, thanks for introducing pages to the blog. Even with hi-speed that RTW 'debate' was taking its sweet time to load after a while. Although maybe page 1, 2, 3, 4,... would be easier than 'oldest', 'older', 'marginally less old', 'more recent',....
I've delayed purchasing a high definition DVD player until the format war was settled. Personally, I support the Netflix decision, which will expedite the adoption of a standard format, thereby lowering prices for Blu-Ray players.
All the nitwits who are claiming that they are going to drop Netflix because they no longer carry HD are going to find it pretty hard (if not impossible) to get HD discs elsewhere. Within a year, their players are going to be nothing more than high tech paperwights anyway.
What happens to those of us who are renting regular DVDs and haven't even upgraded their TVs or DVD players to high definition? Will Netflix discontinue renting the non-HD DVDs as well?
hey!
i've been checking out your blog for a while now and i must say. it has a real down home - down to earth feel. i really like that!
you've inspired me to start my own blog. let me know what you think about it please! i'm must a newbie!
your fan,
Rusty J
"What happens to those of us who are renting regular DVDs..?"
No change. Eventually all rentals will be streamed (like 'Watch Instantly') or downloaded, but not for several years.
We own a Blu ray and HD DVD player. My husband bought the hd-dvd first. He originally wanted the blu-ray but it was too expensive. We saved some money and bought one a few months later and we are glad we did. There are more movie selections with blu-ray. I have to admit I still buy SD dvds also and they look great. (can't beat the prices sometimes) I think people just like to whine and complain. I have been a netflix subscriber since 2004 and have been very happy with them. We don't rent from blockbuster and never will. We will remain loyal to netflix.
it's official:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents
Toshiba OFFICIALLY drops HD DUD support. Let the fanboy whining beginning.
Toshiba Announces Discontinuation of HD DVD Businesses
19 February, 2008
TOKYO--Toshiba Corporation today announced that it has undertaken a thorough review of its overall strategy for HD DVD and has decided it will no longer develop, manufacture and market HD DVD players and recorders. This decision has been made following recent major changes in the market. Toshiba will continue, however, to provide full product support and after-sales service for all owners of Toshiba HD DVD products.
HD DVD was developed to offer consumers access at an affordable price to high-quality, high definition content and prepare them for the digital convergence of tomorrow where the fusion of consumer electronics and IT will continue to progress.
"We carefully assessed the long-term impact of continuing the so-called 'next-generation format war' and concluded that a swift decision will best help the market develop," said Atsutoshi Nishida, President and CEO of Toshiba Corporation. "While we are disappointed for the company and more importantly, for the consumer, the real mass market opportunity for high definition content remains untapped and Toshiba is both able and determined to use our talent, technology and intellectual property to make digital convergence a reality."
Toshiba will continue to lead innovation, in a wide range of technologies that will drive mass market access to high definition content. These include high capacity NAND flash memory, small form factor hard disk drives, next generation CPUs, visual processing, and wireless and encryption technologies. The company expects to make forthcoming announcements around strategic progress in these convergence technologies.
Toshiba will begin to reduce shipments of HD DVD players and recorders to retail channels, aiming for cessation of these businesses by the end of March 2008. Toshiba also plans to end volume production of HD DVD disk drives for such applications as PCs and games in the same timeframe, yet will continue to make efforts to meet customer requirements. The company will continue to assess the position of notebook PCs with integrated HD DVD drives within the overall PC business relative to future market demand.
This decision will not impact on Toshiba's commitment to standard DVD, and the company will continue to market conventional DVD players and recorders. Toshiba intends to continue to contribute to the development of the DVD industry, as a member of the DVD Forum, an international organization with some 200 member companies, committed to the discussion and defining of optimum optical disc formats for the consumer and the related industries.
Toshiba also intends to maintain collaborative relations with the companies who joined with Toshiba in working to build up the HD DVD market, including Universal Studios, Paramount Pictures, and DreamWorks Animation and major Japanese and European content providers on the entertainment side, as well as leaders in the IT industry, including Microsoft, Intel, and HP. Toshiba will study possible collaboration with these companies for future business opportunities, utilizing the many assets generated through the development of HD DVD.
I find this all very amusing.Id like anyone tell me where you will receive better customer service than with Netflix. they literally do whatever it takes to make us happy.You definitely cant say that about BB.The turnaround time exceeds BB for movies to get to you,and sure there is a wait for new releases, but what do you expect,they cant carry millions of copies of one title.Lets be real.BB may offer HD dvds right now..that will be their next trap..keep HD for a while to lure all of those people back over to them and them WHAM..they drop HD as well. Just like that sideswipe of their plan prices going up. Sorry,all you who want to go to BB now..be my guest,that will only free up more movies available to the rest of us.You'll be back..you'll be crying when you get that god awful service and realized maybe Netflix is better.
I too will be canceling my Netflix subscripton because of the decision to no longer support those of us with HD-DVD.
To all the fanboys talking about the million HD DUD players sold, check this out. From Toshiba's press conference announcing they are ending HD DUD support:
Q: How many HD DVD players and recorders, exactly, did you sell?
A: 600,000 players in the US -- 300,000 of which were Xbox 360 HD DVD drives. 100,000 units were sold in Europe. And about 10,000 players and 20,000 recorders in Japan. So about 730,000 units worldwide.
And to anyone dumb enough to believe downloads will replace Blu-ray anytime soon, read this article:
TheDaddy
Sunday, February 17, 2008, 08:56 AM
Mr. Dumas
Good morning.
I really wouldn't bet on downloads on a mass adoption scale as the ISPs and local Telcos just don't have the bandwidth capacity for the masses.
If we are simply talking about SD DVD PQ/AQ downloads then yes but HD DVD / Blu-Ray quality downloads on a MASS scale...no.
Just isn't possible unless the ISPs & Telcos add Hundreds of Thousands to Millions of TBs of capacity that cannot be cost justified. It would NEVER get by the shareholders.
I will give you an example. I work in Telecom, a call center customer of mine just ordered a DS3 [45mbps connection] from Verizon. There were no facilities in the customers area, the CO [Central Office] servicing them did not have the capacity. It cost the customer around $15,000.00 for the build out plus the DS3 [loop] runs $3500 monthly plus the usage [since it is Voice not DIA] at $0.0109 cpm interstate. They have around $30,000 in voice usage [2.5 million minutes] monthly so the $15k was a lesser number then the actual cost because Verizon subsidized it based on the usage & the term [3 years]. If it was a DS3 of dedicated internet access it would run around $4500 monthly total but the build out would have been VASTLY more expensive since their actual usage monthly would be so much smaller [-$29,500.00]. There would not have been any subsidy and the customer would have been paying double or triple for the DS3 build out / install.
What I am getting at is if it costs $15,000 - $45,000 to drag a 45mbps connection 2.5 miles how much would it cost to run 100,000 TBs end to end through a local footprint? In a Tier 1 metro area in the hundreds of millions to billions of dollars. Keep in mind we are talking about extensive engineering, pulling permits, boring / boaring [not sure on the spelling but this is the correct term] under roads, cracking concrete, trenching...fiber goes in the ground not above it. And it requires special conduits to run through this is all VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE.
Downloads will be more of a NICHE then HD DVD / Blu-Ray by far as it can never be mainstream & deliver HD DVD / Blu-Ray PQ/AQ.
It's sad to see Netlix be just another lemming. This whole format "war" has been driven by the studios - NOT the consumer. I still intend to buy and HD player at a good price with good upconverting features and avoid Blue Ray altogether. By the time Blue Ray is stabilized the on demand inventory should be sufficient to make it irrelevant.
Does netflix realize they are the hd-dvd of movies rentals. blu ray being BB. hope they go out of business.
Haha!
Bad timing. Had Netflix waiting 1-week and let Toshiba break the news that HD-DVD was dead nobody would be mad at Netflix.
Now we have all these silly comments of hurt feelings and sentences filled with 'disgrace', 'fascism', and ' disappointment'.
Oh well. A nice snapshot for the history books. With Google archive system I wonder how many college courses will be referring to this blog post in the future.
Netflix is THE BEST thing to EVER happen to the FILM lover!!! plain and simple.
Even though whoever is working on changes to the functionality of the site is making it much worse.
I hope every customer that only came to Netflix for Hi Def movies all leave!! All your Special Effects Movies and New Releases will be at your local store!!
You Sony fanboys just don't get it. But you will soon enough.
Enjoy your circle jerk while it lasts. When it's over, Microsoft will be patiently waiting to laugh in your faces.
I hope that all the people that have spewed vitriol at Netflix in this thread will consider making an apology since it now has become clear why they did what they did. If HD-DVD is dead and even Toshiba is not even going to create HD-DVD players, why in the world would Netflix continue to carry HD-DVD discs?
Of course, I don't really expect anyone to recant on the silly things they said. Just goes to show what foolish things people will say/do when hiding behind a computer.
Bought another HD DVD player yesterday as a backup. I figure stores will soon begin purging themselves of HD DVDs at greatlyly discounted prices. There are many movies I have not seen and many I wish to see again. Soon to say goodbye to Netflix. It was great while it lasted.
Well said, Shaun. I'm no gloating blu-ray boy or knee-jerk Netflix apologist, but I do try to live in a place called 'Reality'. If I were Reed Hastings, and had read this torrent of bile after I'd done what I thought was necessary to continue to keep subscriptions as low as possible whilst trying to keep as many of my members happy as much of the time as I could, I really think I'd have reneged on my pledge to keep all existing HD discs in circulation until the end of the year, and recycled every last one of them into picnic tables by now.
hahahahaha....all you HD DVD people.Go ahead drop Netflix like Toshiba just dropped HD DVD. It was inevitable that the format was doomed to fail. Try and find HD DVD's anywhere soon and you'll be out of luck
HD DVD fanboy cry babies. Oh boohoo! If you didn't want to be screwed you would have invested in a dual player or waited for this format war to pan out. That's what you get for putting all your eggs in one basket, good riddance.
Will Net Flix sell their inventory of HD titles to the public?
As a customer i find this to be a disgrace, I joined netflix because it offered both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray dvd. I will probably cancel my service in the next few months because of your decision in this matter. As a consumer, i joined because you offered selection that others do not. You are taking this selection and choice away from your customer, and in doing so it will result in the loss of my business and those I recommended. If you look at my Que you will notice I have selected HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, standard DVD is not an option to me. Your offer of replacing HD-DVD in my que with standard dvd is a disgrace, I have a dual player so that i never had to watch a Standard DVD again. You doing away with HD-DVD limits me and my choices. i'm sorry to say that I will be taking my business else where after this change is complete. I suggest in the future that if you continue to be a company that provides a service with choices, that you consult / poll your subscribers before you make decisions that afftect their selection and choice.
Thanks,
Nicholas R. Hoyer
A Former "Valued" Customer.
This was my former post... and for you that cant read correctly... i new when i bought a player, it was a "format" war... So, i bought the LG BH200, thats plays both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray.. so for those people using that as your defence against my post, grow up.. MY POINT BEING!! I bought a dual player because i love quality and HD content, i hate to watch standard def. Netflix decision limits my abiblity to watch "HD content" when possibly... i.e. Movie comes out only i Blu-Ray, i watch that, comes out only on HD-DVD, i watch that... I "pay" Netflix to provide a service of movies, not "decide" what i cant and can't watch... and "yes" i know about Toshibas press release, but fact is, the "war" is no where near being over.. I work in this industry and know... so, as long as a movie "may" come out on hd-dvd and not blu-ray.. i want to know i have to option to get it and watch it, and shame on netflix for taking that right away.. THATS MY POINT!! I pay for them to "provide" movies available, not decide for me what they will have... Thanks for your time..
Nicholas Hoyer
"HD-DVD is dead... well, all we know is that Toshiba has pulled the plug... what everyone seems to be forgetting is that there are other "companys" supporting it still... I.E. a little one known as Microsoft.. and bet me, they will do "ANYTHING" to "stick" it to sony.. maybe HD-DVD will be the next 360 game platform?? maybe "LG" and makes HD-DVD computer drives will continue to do so... my point being, i dont think this battle is even near being over yet.. things we all need to think about... and no, i dont just support HD-DVD, i have a dual player. I support "HD-Content"... but the truth is, from someone that has and watches both... if you watch a movie that come out on HD and Blu-Ray.. the HD-DVD picture usualy looks better... i dont care what the specs and info say, i go by my eyes, and the HD-DVD usualy looks better than Blu-Ray... food for thought guys...
Nicholas Hoyer
What I don't quite understand about all this is that every company we deal with is constantly making unilateral decisions (most of which we also don't like!), but we generally either roll our eyes and say "oh well, wotcha gonna do?", or move to the competition. But when Netflix does it people wail and gnash their teeth as if NF is breaking some sacred covenant with them. I s'pose that speaks well for the unusually high regard in which people hold (held?) this particular company, and how 'valued' they feel (felt?) as customers, but it really is a bit kooky to get quite so bent out of shape every time NF adjusts to the harsh realities of the market - especially one as volatile and competitive as this one.
OK, here's your megaphone back, guys......
Availability has become a huge problem for me. I have both HD-DVD and BluRay so I didn't care which format was available. However, I soon noticed that both high resolution formats would remain at the top of my queue for weeks. Now, I notice that even old shows, in standard definition seem to be unavailable. I've dropped my subscription to the bare minimum and find that Apple TV is getting most of my money. My Netflix subscription is hanging by a thread. If Apple gets a larger catalog, they'll have my business.
Hey, if you choose to be an early adopter, this is the risk you take. We all knew there was a format battle, likely to the death, going on. I am one that waited. But, how about this idea? This weekend I went and bought a Toshiba HD-DVD on the cheap as a upconverting DVD player with free HD thrown in. The HD disks already produced will be around until the end of the earth. In the longer term, sooner than we think, this bluray format won't matter either since everything will be streamed or downloaded in some form. Just get over it.
Hey, if you choose to be an early adopter....
How sad. They used to be referred to as 'risk taking innovators' forging a path to the future. But then again, I spose RTI's don't bleat when their gamble doesn't pay off.
I am surprised to see people complaining that Netflix is going to be phasing out HD-DVD's. What alot of you don't see is that Blu-ray has won the format wars. Most new releases are only going to be released on Blu-ray instead of HD-DVD. So what is the big deal of Netflix phasing out media that is not going to be supported in the future. Unless all you want to do is watch older movies.
I don't see the rational in limiting people to just one way to watch movies. We currently own 4 dvd players. Some for the house and summer trailer. We can't afford to replace these and most middle to low income people can't either. I see Netflix and Blockbuster out of business in the long run. When you no longer provide regular dvd's, you will lose me, for one, as a customer.There are other ways to get around this and I am sure most of us will find them. I am really disappointed with your decision and I won't be sorry to see you go. We are supposed to be a country of choices and lately we are being dictated as to what we can and can't do. Not me.
Diane
The PRIMARY reason I chose to become a member of Netflix as opposed to Blockbuster online was the availability of both HD formats. I have players for both formats so this took precedence over Blockbuster's higher availability and convenience with being able to drop off and pick up locally. In my deciding I realized Blockbuster online is better in every way EXCEPT that they don't offer HD-DVD and Netflix does. So I chose Netflix.
So with that being said, as soon as I recieve the remaing HD-DVD's in my Netflix queue I will be cancelling my membership and joing Blockbuster online. I feel the viability of Netflix is now null without the availability of the HD-DVD format with Blockbuster online being an overall better service with higher availability and more convenience.
PS - On top of all that, it was always annoying how so often Netflix wouldn't have the HD versions of releases, be it BluRay or HD-DVD until weeks after the release date, even though both DVD and HD formats released on the same day.
all you blu-ray/ps3 fanboys need to take sony's hard member out of your mouths and realize the light that is VOD.
I still bought an HD-DVD player after the announcement, better up converter than a ps3 plus it plays HD-DVD. I win.
Yeah Blu-Ray!
Netflix to Raise Blu-ray Rental Fees???????? During a conference call Monday, Netflix CEO Reed Hastings commented that his company would raise rental fees later this year for those customers who rent Blu-ray movies. Since the high definition format was introduced, Netflix has been providing Blu-ray rentals at no additional fee to their customers. Now that the format war is over, and rentals are increasing, Hastings feels that it is necessary to charge a premium for high definition rentals.
He commented, "Purchasing Blu-ray DVDs costs more, both at retail and wholesale, than standard definition DVDs. Consumers are used to paying more for high-definition content."
No word if rival rental powerhouse Blockbuster would also be raising rental fees for high definition movies. If Blockbuster decides to keep fees lower than Netflix, it could radically shift momentum towards the second place online movie renter.
Plz, Tell me this is a lie????? you can read this at www.blu-ray.com
I represent the totally ingorant population who really don't even understand HD-DVD or BLU-Ray dvd. I am also an advocate for people on low fixed incomes due to disabilities and/or being eldery. Should I even bother to remain a customer of Netflix? And, should I even try to save enough money to buy the Blu-Ray equipment; as it will probably be outdated by the time I could afford it. Maybe I should sell my computer, my dvd player, my telephone, and my television and just read library books for the rest of my life.
My comment is about new releases. Why aren't all new releases listed. For instance /the brave one has never been listed in your new releases. I have to hope i see a preview on tv that says it was released so i can type it in. Why aren't ALL new releases listed???
I remain disappointed about the decision to cease making HD DVDs available to customers. However, I'm pleasantly surprised that--THE MATRIX, THE KITE RUNNER and THE ASSASSINATION FO JESSE JAMES BY THE COWARD ROBERT FORD notwithstanding--we are still able to rent HD DVDs past the date when I thought Nf would cease making them available entirely (May 31, when Warner's last HD DVD was released).
It would be nice if we could get a clear statement from Hastings or Sarandos regarding just how long we have left to rent HD DVDs. I'm renting Universal titles exclusive to HD DVD as fast as I can.
fine with me know when most people have it you will change. don;t know were else to put this complaint. on wait list for ONE YEAR.. KEPT AT NUMBER ONE ONE MY LIST FOR A MONTH OR TWO.IT'S OUT NOW AND I GET SHORT WAIT... WHY.
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