Monday, November 12, 2007

A Facebook thing...

Facebook now allows companies and products to have "profiles" just like people. I'm not sure of the merits of this, but I tossed a Facebook page for Netflix up there, and if anyone would like to partake in this experiment, become a fan.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=6275848869

While I imagine the Facebook page will not replace the postings and discussions that go on here, on this blog, let's see if something organic happens there. (And don't worry - this took all of a minute to create, so it's got nothing to do with our development efforts here.)

60 comments:

  1. Are you guys going to create a real FaceBook application for Netflix that automatically pulls in our ratings & movie notes into our Facebook profiles, like Blockbuster has already done for their users on Facebook? And the application would hopefully let us compare ourselves to our friends, similar to the current Friends feature on the Netflix website? This would be much appreciated!

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  2. that just looked like a group/event kind of thing no??

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  3. Yes, Michael. Blockbuster's application is called Movie clique. We urgently need a similar one, that let us share our ratings, reviews etc with facebook friends, without having to select them all over again on Flixster, the only application currently available.

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  4. Hey, I wanna knw why I can't sign up because I got something in the mail with a free Netflix Trial Card. Since I created an address for this page, I used it to register. But the e-mail says the 5-minute old account has already been registered!

    Hit me back up (you know the e-mail)

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  5. After some 20 years, "Psychotronic Video" magazine is ending its run. I imagine some staffers there are familiar with it. Any chance you guys might offer Mike Weldon an "online home" as a value-added service for members?

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  6. Ahh, so that's why the turnaround is so long this past week! You spent all your time on Facebook. :)

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  7. Yeah, everybody is using Flixster on FaceBook, but it is horrible for Netflix users because we all have to RE-ENTER all of our information FROM SCRATCH all over again! Can you guys please implement an OFFICIAL Netflix Facebook application? Blockbuster has sadly beaten you guys to the punch on this one, and we desperately need this.

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  8. OK, but for those of us that don't feel an overwhelming need to keep the world informed about what we're watching and how we felt about it, thanks for the recent addition of 'Play the preview' on many of the movie pages. Much better image quality than the previous previews; yes, even on a creaky old 'Power Mac'!

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  9. Can you guys please implement an OFFICIAL Netflix Facebook application?

    I'd rather resources be used on more important features.

    and we desperately need this.
    I think you meant WANT rather than NEED. This is a pure fluff feature.

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  10. I think a facebook applicaiton is a great idea for Netflix!

    Carmelo Lisciotto

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  11. @Michael - The new poll question seems to be missing a few words. Not sure what you are asking.

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  12. Poll not working right. I voted, but it didn't register my vote for most Sim%.

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  13. Re the poll - As Ms Glass so nicely elucidated a while back, one of the great pluses of these community features is that every day we're getting introduced - if we care to be - to movies, documentaries and TV shows that are outside our usual comfort zones and areas of familiarity. So, as far as I'm concerned, the less filtering of what reviews I'm shown the better.

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  14. When I vote it says "thank you, your vote has already been counted" and its only showing that 1 person has voted (not my vote).

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  15. Totally TOTALLY off topic, but I just noticed Talltale has had his number one Influence spot ususrped and went all the way to number five (this was unexpected, no?)...anyone know who the new number one is?

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  16. Dunno. Maybe check out 'Happy Mad's' 1,097 Faves!

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  17. @Michael - I see Netflix just gave out $50k to a group for improving the recommendation system by 8%. Is that change in the system now or coming up? Just curious.

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  18. Dad-gummit!

    I have always been able to look at a members list of Freinds/Faves and determine the ratio of non-reciprical fans a member might have. This is something that is extremely useful to me.

    I like seeing who has the biggest groups of groupies!
    I mean, Good-night-shirt!

    One can understand trying to simplify things, but I like being able to have at least this teensy glimpse into the minds of those that I would choose to Fave.

    Is this some kind of privacy thing?

    e.

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  19. Hear, Hear!
    And I would like to fave only left-handed members!

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  20. "Is this some kind of privacy thing?"

    @e. Not quite sure what your beef is. Has something changed recently that I missed?

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  21. When you looked at someone's profile, over on the right it told you how many friends/faves they have. Then you could count their friends/faves/fans and subtract that number to find how many fans they had.

    Now the number on the right includes their fans so you can no longer do that.

    It was a bug, now its fixed.

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  22. Thanks Baff. Thankfully, I'd never have noticed. I often have enough trouble figuring out how I myself feel about a movie, without having to figure out how much stock to put in someone else's opinion of it based on the number of fans they have! I grow dizzy even thinking about it......

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  23. Dizzy can sometimes be good.

    How would you see that as a bug? It was nothing but a fun bit, Baff, but it's now a bitter bug.

    If they list it as freinds and faves (and fans),then let it be so.
    They are all now just homoginized "associates".
    ehh...

    e,

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  24. Dizzy can sometimes be good.

    Can't argue with that.

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  25. Sorry for an OT question.

    But where exactly are folks clicking to get to a list of members ranking?

    I see reference to this member not being #1 anymore etc.

    Just curious… TIA

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  26. We aren't, as far as I know. Some of us just 'faved' the top scorers when they were first announced, so can now see their current standing week to week. But I have no idea who the current #1 is.

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  27. But how did you find the original #1 (Talltale)? you ask. Simple : he was one of those first 3 reviewers on pretty much every interesting or obscure movie I ever checked out!

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  28. I've run across a few people high in the ranks, I currently know of #4 (Telltale), #12 (JDMKCM MO), #39 (Larry MD). I wouldn't be surprised to see BigBlackfoot (currently #480) get into the top 50 in the next month or so. Last month he was around #5,000, but has been cranking out the reviews.

    My ranking took a pretty big hit this week, dropped from about 600 to about 1300. Guess my massive internet fame is fading...

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  29. OK:
    CHawk went from #33 to #22
    Horror Chick 137 to 32
    talltale 5 to 4
    Film Grrrl 37 to 389
    James Horne 46 to 29
    LP 21 to 405

    Whew!

    Droidmaker is up to #4567,
    3 weeks ago it was 7931,
    and 6wks ago around 30,000!

    Now I'm dizzy, but it sure is good.
    In a tornado like this, who knows where the hay yer gonna land.
    funfunfun Some of us delight in the details.
    e.

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  30. michael, from netflixNovember 15, 2007 at 4:23 PM

    We will get around to posting a block somewhere on the site that announces the "leaderboard" of influencers -- but not yet. We continue to tweak the algorithms involved (how much weight to put on profile views vs, say, additions to your queue from a given person; or how to address the very helpful notion of telling people NOT to see a movie and they don't... and of course, what is the relative importance of a good Top 10 List vs a good review).

    I'm impressed at your ability to identify some of these influential folks... and it doesn't surprise me that most of your blog readers here seem to be pretty influential yourselves. (And I promise you - "droidmaker" is not tweaking the system to move up in the rankings, tease me as you might...)

    More on rankings in a later post...

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  31. 2McAbre said...
    Sorry for an OT question.

    But where exactly are folks clicking to get to a list of members ranking?


    Just click on a user. The person's rank appears in the purple box just below the person's name in the far right column

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  32. Hmmm.....interesting. I thought those were the number of reviews they'd written - and very intimidating it was too.

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  33. Has anyone seen 'Slammer' recently, the original #2?

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  34. As far as rankings go... I want quality, not quantity. A lot of the reviews from the people that are pumping them out are complete and utter drivel. They're just reviewing en masse in order to boost their ratings, which is rather pathetic if you really sit down and think about it.

    I want to read a well thought out, insightful and unique point of view not some cookie-cutter, two paragraph "review" filled with grammatical and spelling errors. Again, give me quality over quantity any day.

    But what do I know, I'm only rated 18,000 currently. :)

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  35. Michal@netflix said - "We will get around to posting a block somewhere on the site that announces the "leaderboard" of influencers -- but not yet. We continue to tweak the algorithms involved (how much weight to put on profile views vs, say, additions to your queue from a given person; or how to address the very helpful notion of telling people NOT to see a movie and they don't... and of course, what is the relative importance of a good Top 10 List vs a good review)."

    Michael, The problem with a leaderboard is that those people will remain the leaders because Netflix users will click on their links because of easy access. The leaderboard would discourage those who are posting more reviews/lists to become more influential, by turning it into an uphill battle.

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  36. Hey, if Netflix is able to arrange for shipment of disks on federal (postal) holidays, then why the $#&*!@% can't they get it together to send disks out on saturdays?! This is no longer a mom & pop operation, your big boys now. Get with it!
    PS: I love you guys

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  37. Hear, hear. But unfortunately 'Pop' disagrees. Herewith Reed Hastings being interviewed about a 6 day week by 'Hacking Netflix' on 7/11/06 :

    "It’s a cost tradeoff, right, because then you can’t run a standard five day shift. So when you move to a 6th day, then you’ve got not one management team, you’ve got staggered. So the cost is not just 15% more, because you’ve got to figure out dual management, and how you’re going to infringe on people on people’s weekends and yet give them a life. So we make sure that the Monday through Friday works well, and that’s the focus."

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  38. About the poll…

    Personally, I don’t really know which would work better for me. Sim-to-Me has obvious advantages, especially as Netflix gets better at quantifying that. But on the other hand, highest rated could be interesting because I’m more interested in finding suggestions rather than warnings. The cream of the crop would be nice but would that leave room for quirkiness? I know I fave a lot of not so similar reviewers because quality of thought, reasoning and communication skills are much more important than conformity of taste. I want Netflix to help me expand my horizons. Then again, tuning into the all Comedy channel, or all Horror, all Romance, or whatever, has tempting appeal.

    No chance of a toggle between the three I suppose?

    Becky Glass

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  39. Speaking of toggles, I'm still itching for a way to re-arrange the reviews on the movie pages - whether by sim%, rating or date. Especially since the 'most helpful' ranking for movies that were available before the 'one-member-one-vote' policy came into effect will forever remain slightly suspect. Is that in the works, perchance?

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  40. I wouldn't mind seeing a Facebook app, but here are my thoughts:

    1. It would be much better to integrate with Flixster, I'd hate to be duplicating everything. Buy them or work out a partnership for mutual benefit.

    2. I'm much more interested in improved DVD quality (less scratches) and availability of instant viewing on the Mac platform than Facebook integration.

    3. Can you comment on whether instant viewing compensates writers as DVD's do?

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  41. "Can you comment on whether instant viewing compensates writers as DVD's do?"

    Netflix pays the studios. Its been up to the studios to pay the writers or not.

    One of the studios had the idea to pay them on the same scale as dvds, which is part of the reason for the strike. The writers are not at all happy with the dvd deal, so they certainly don't want it to apply to downloads too. My impression is that studios have not been paying the writers anything for Netflix downloads (or any other downloads).

    These are just things I've gleaned from watching the news and reading various articles, so take it with a grain of salt.

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  42. Regarding the last two polls... unless the sim percentages become more accurate I don't see how that's useful to me at all. Besides there being such a discrepancy between friends and faves (a friend of mine had an 86% sim to me but when I changed him into a fave, he dropped to 32%), when I click on one of the high sims in the box on the community page, I find that I have nothing in common with the person. On a side note, does anyone else get a kick out of finding your own profile through a friend or fave and seeing that you're 100% similar to yourself?

    Regarding instant viewing... I just saw on another website (NBC, I think) that they expect to have support for Macs early next year and I wonder if that's true of other sites as well, including Netflix.

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  43. It would be cool to integrate Netflix with Facebook. Sounds fun. But what would really be of value would be if the millions of Mac users were not excluded from real features such as "Play it Now". As one of those millions, I feel like I am paying the same and getting less. That's because I AM paying the same and getting less. Perhaps the blog is not the place to register this complaint. However after chasing down a way to send a message on the Netflix site itself, I sent a message on 3 different occasions asking about this subject and have never heard back. Not even an "form letter" type of response. Just no response at all.

    So. does our business matter to you? You're working on integrating with facebook. How about the Mac. How about a little customer service. Hello.... Anyone?

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  44. @greg -- that topic has been discussed at length in this blog. Other posters here can explain it better (or better yet, provide the link to the specific post -- I can't remember when it was posted) but basically it has nothing to do with Netflix.

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  45. I have 20 Fans, all of whom I have Faved. I also have 20 Faves who have not Faved me. That's 20 reciprical Faves and 20 non-reciprical Faves.(no Freinds)
    Total "associates" = 40.

    My profile that I see shows "0 Freinds,40 Faves".
    My outward facing profile shows "60 Freinds and Faves", but the actual page listing of Freinds and Faves (and Fans) shows the correct 40.

    I assume that my girlfreind will deduce that I have 20 Fans (yay), but that she will not be able to identify them (awww).

    Is this double-counting system correct? I would prefer a simpler deduction method for determining how many fans someone has. Perhaps it could be listed as a number!


    (Hey, someone's got to think of some new ideas - how old is this thread anyways?) {;^)

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  46. The last Mac Watch Now update we got was over 3 months ago.

    http://blog.netflix.com/2007/08/instant-watching-on-mac-firefox-and.html

    The gist of it is that they hope to have support for some (not all) Macs sometime in 2008.

    "basically it has nothing to do with Netflix"

    You are mistaken.

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  47. You are mistaken.

    Well, I'm not surprised since I don't understand that DRM stuff. That's why I said other posters can explain it better... I should have just left it at that. :)

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  48. I don't understand that DRM stuff

    Who the heck does, when pirated movies are available on the web almost before they're released, with illicit copies being sneaked out of the labs, the editing room, the movie house, or just stripped of their DRMs by savvy hackers - none of whom are likely to be shelling out any of their 'hard earned cash' to Netflix every month! So the studios should be concentrating on shutting down the pirating operations rather than thinking that those famously rippable Microsoft DRM's are doing squat to protect their interests.

    But since they seem determined to hang onto that misappredelusion, and since Apple perhaps understandably refuses to license their own DRM's, I'm not sure how people expect Netflix to be able to make 'Watch Now' available to us non-dual-boot Macs users for right now? Their customer relations on the subject sure could do with some work, but as to the technicalities and legalities it sounds to me like their hands are tied in the short term.

    How is that mistaken, Baff?

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  49. These are the ways that Netflix has something to do with it.

    1. Netflix could write their own DRM. Though if I were Netflix, I wouldn't want to touch that with a 10-foot pole.

    2. Netflix can put pressure on the studios to give up on the useless DRM. I don't expect them to have any luck, but they can put on more pressure than I can as an individual.

    3. Ditto for Apple and licensing their DRM.

    4. Netflix could offer a cheaper subscription plan without Watch Now.

    The moment Netflix started using Watch Now as the main part of their advertising campaign is the moment I stopped having pity on them regarding this. I have to wonder how many Mac/Linux people they fooled into signing up for Netflix. I never saw any mention of "Windows only" in their ads.

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  50. 1. Don't know how that works, but why should/would the studios trust an untested system? Surely better that they all get together and write their own DRM's that work on all platforms, and which really protect them?

    2 and 3. One assumes that Netflix is already doing that, since we can be sure that they want this resolved just as badly as mac and linux users because of all the negative publicity and defections.

    4 and (5). Couldn't agree more. They've handled it atrociously.

    Thanks for your thoughts.

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  51. I'm planning to switch to Blockbuster if I can partially because of this lack.

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  52. I too plan on switching to Blockbuster. Not just because I get less for my money that PC users but also because the customer service is non-existent. I have inquired on 3-5 occasions about various things and have never once had a single question addressed.

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  55. I just finished up this application for Facebook that might address some of the needs that people already commented on. Check it out.

    Netflix Facebook Application

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  56. i think that s really a great thing, than any social networking stuff naw seems to run well...

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