Monday, September 10, 2007

This Weekend's Release

Sometime around this weekend On Monday Sept 17 we're releasing these changes in Friends and the Community. We're not "promoting" it yet, but do want to see how you like it, how it works for you, and so on. We'll announce it widely once y'all have banged on it for a bit. The key elements have been described in detail in prior posts, but a brief reminder would be:

1) "Favorites" (aka "Save to Faves"). Find reviewers or raters you like, and save them. Their recent activity (ratings and reviews only - nothing else) will show up prominently on the Community Home page. Even if you don't use Friends, this is a simple, less invasive way to personalize your Netflix site experience.

2) Rank. Someone at Netflix is the #1 most influential reviewer. We'll see who that is soon enough. But all of us have some ranking. Easy to ignore. Interesting to ponder. Based on a complicated set of factors, including number of highly helpful reviews (movies with few reviews provide most value), number of fans (people who have added you as a "Favorite"), and movies added to queues from your personal pages.

3) Subnav changes. Alas, the blog and other important items have been moved to the bottom of the page; Friends-related items are on the Friends & Faves page. Preferences is gone (yes, gone). Although you can still type in the URL and get to the page. We're phasing it out entirely, starting now.

4) Review Flags. The thresholds have been tuned, and very quickly you should see bad reviews going away and objectionable content managed. It's a community effect, so your vote alone doesn't change things -- but if disparate folks feel the same way, the automation should handle it properly.

5) Friends' Friends. Seeing who is connected to the people you are looking at is a core function of online communities, and will be fun and helpful for movie discovery. Only your real Friends are visible with a real name, and movie info like queue and rental history - this is unchanged. But now you can see their friends, or the friends of reviewers. This is new. They will only be identified by their anonymous nickname and avatar, but you'll see 'em.

RELATED TO THIS: we will be sending out an email to ALL Friends users tonight which will notify everyone of this change and give y'all time to tweak your nickname/avatar if you'd like. Because of your feedback on this blog, we're also making sure that you can select PRIVATE on your Profile page, and this will make you completely invisible outside of the Friends connections. This gives you an added level of comfort, I suppose (although being anonymous is pretty good comfort). Please read the terms of use if you have question. This is going to be a very safe network, but you convinced me that opting out is really important.




We're not done with Community just yet. Lots of improvement and new features still in the works. But i think with this release the shape of things is starting to take form.

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Anonymous said...

Looks like it has begun, but the Friends and Faves page is temporarily unavailable.

Sam said...

Yes. If only to put an end to all this interminable splitting of already multiply-split hairs. But overall a great discussion; thanks guys. And anyone that's been as caught up in both threads as I've been might enjoy Steve Pinker's new book 'The Stuff of Thought'.

2McAbre said...

This is why poignant and well thought out discussions are not easy to accomplish in an on-line print forum.

If we had this same discussion face to face there would be other bits of information glommed from the live format.

Facial expressions (grins, smiles, twinkles in the eyes, etc) sound of persons voice (amused, stressed, angry)…

None of which truly translate well into written forums, no matter how hard you try.

When folks get to know me they figure out really fast that I am somewhat of an instigator, I have a sometimes dry sense of humor, but above all I enjoy learning new things.

I still haven't learned anything from this thread.

I DO GET IT, certain folks want to maintain the same level of privacy they had before.

Just because I GET THAT, doesn't mean I understand the reasoning behind it.

THAT is all I have been trying to cipher out of all this. Ultimately.

Question: "What could be such in someones life that they would need expanded privacy on a site where you rent movies?" Answer: "Just because." Like all my teachers et al have said in the past "Because is not an answer."

To date nobody has provided any valid educational material to help those of us who might like to "understand" do so.

Anyway I'm done, this has been fun, though not very enlightening.

P.S. Run my posts through spell/ grammar check before you say that I need to spell or use better grammar ;-)

P.P.S. If you know anyone that is an instigator in real life you know they will go on and on, often coming up with stupid ideas or questions, just to get a rise out of folks.

Doesn't make me right or wrong, immoral or a bad person, just makes me human is all.

TTFN

ang said...

So how about we get back to the point of this thread... "This Weekend's Release"? (There's always the privacy thread if we want to discuss privacy issues, right?)

What does everyone think of the updates? Have you looked at your rank yet? Have you been disappointed by your rank? ;)

How many of you have added someone to your faves? How many have you added?

Anyone check out their friends' friends yet? I have, even though I marked myself as private so my friends' friends don't see me.

How do you all feel about the subnav changes? So far it hasn't bothered me but I'm still wondering how we'll be able to delete or rename friends (yes, I know I've asked this before, but I haven't received an answer yet, even if the answer is "you can't").

Well? What do you all think of Netflix's hard work?

ang said...

Okay, color me embarrassed. I just found the remove friend button. But there's no rename button (or will I find THAT one about three minutes after posting this, too?). :)

priv8pete said...

There seems to be trouble with some of the features loading for me. I did however see my Rank: 107,659!!! I never thought I'd crack the top 108,000.

Mike said...

@Ang. Thanks for re-focusing the thread. So far it looks interesting and not the least scary. The string of letters and numbers mean no more to me now than they ever did, and I think no less of those that have no Netflix friends or faves, I SWEAR. I notice some correlation between influence rank and length of time as a member, which makes sense, but since my friend's rank is in the 300,000's and I know her to be a fabulously smart woman with great taste in movies mine in the 7,000s makes me feel pretty darn good! Sorry you're not playing. Come on in, the water's fine.

@2mcabre. Sorry, but we really don't care who you are. Did you not at least glom that from the discussion? We just care whether you have interesting tastes in movies -- and guess what? I bet you do. We just won't be dropping by for a face to face chat, if that's OK with you.

Mike said...

And yes, Priv8pete, you're still 200,000 ahead of my 'Danica'. But better get cracking on those reviews. And only movies no-one ever watches, remember.

Becky Glass said...

The roll out has been coming in bits’n’pieces so far. I’ve been waiting for it to ‘finish’ and a new blog-post before I ask questions etc…

It’s up btw… “Today’s Release is Live,” so be seein’ ya there.

Becky

Moving On said...

"What could be such in someones life that they would need expanded privacy on a site where you rent movies?"

I never had the impression that this was about expanding privacy. It was about not losing the level or privacy that Netflix had offered all along. Perhaps if you were not so intent on being the instigator that you so clearly pride yourself on being, you might have seen that.

I do know instigators. I do not care for people who wish only to "get a rise out of people" rather than discus and debate for actual knowledge rather than just to bait. That just isn't productive.

As to other questions raised by other posters: No I have not looked at my ranking or friends of friends. I couldn't care less about ranking, and it would be pretty hypocritical of me to have marked myself private and then go looking at friends of friends.

I do agree with 2mcabre on one thing, I have had enough of this thread. Reading the refusal (on both sides) to accept difference of opinion is brain splitting, and the outright contempt by one side in particular just makes me feel bad.

Nice "community" you have here, Michael. Sadly, it is very much like real life. It just has better movies.

Anonymous said...

Moving on said : "Nice "community" you have here, Michael."

Can't blame Michael for human nature, I think! Particularly since he's had to endure far more than his fair share of slings and arrows over the last few weeks, and yet has always popped back up with a smile on his face to shake our hands and thank us for an interesting and spirited discussion. Very cool!

2McAbre said...

Moving on said: "I do know instigators. I do not care for people who wish only to "get a rise out of people" rather than discus and debate for actual knowledge rather than just to bait. That just isn't productive.


Heh Heh, tell that to my psychology professors.

I don't instigate simply to get a rise out of people. There are always those who either will not talk about stuff, or cannot find the words. Sometimes a little nudge does wonders.

Anyway… I am off to play with the new features myself. So far its looking quite nice and should prove to be interesting to say the least.

Thank You Michael for putting up with us!

Anonymous said...

Where can you see if you have been added as a fav of someone and can they see that you have added somebody as a fav? Inquiring minds want to know.

Fellow Zero said...

Any fans that you might have, either now or in the future, will show up under the faves you've saved, which will in turn be under your friends slider. If you, like me, happen to be one of the very very very few people that still has no fans, Netflix has established a crisis hotline for us on their 'HELP!' page (j/k).

B Phillips said...

Ang has posted this question multiple times, but I would like to reiterate it:

Can you still rename friends and if so, how? The friends that I renamed still stand so it's clear the architecture exists for this.

Just to give you some insight into why this is important to me I have multiple friends with the same first name. On the friends page it gives the first name in a large bold font.

Thanks in advance for responding.

michael, from netflix said...

Hey B,
Nope, we're phasing out that page. For the moment, you're right, the infrastructure still exists -- and frankly, you can still get to the old page (we've just removed links to it). But eventually (no dates yet), we'll clear out the page. I understand the need for a page like that, and before it's killed i'm pretty sure we'll figure out some solution for your particular problem.

b phillips said...

Thanks for the info Michael.

Any chance someone bookmarked the page and could post the link?

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