Friday, September 21, 2007

Missing Faves?

Clearly there are few small irritating issues in the last release - in particular, this odd occasional missing Fave. Perhaps this is more than you want to know, but let me describe a tiny bit of the web architecture to you (and this is going to be a mix of oversimplification and overgeeky, that i hope will cancel out into a digestible whole):

the website you see is really a whole bunch of computers (servers) with identical code. When you log in to your account, you're logging into to one of these servers. The servers are themselves connected to a lot of different databases -- data about friends, account data, ratings data, list of movies... Sometimes when something is wonky on the site -- say the stars go away or your reviews disappear -- its a glitch in a database, but not the website in general. One component might have to get rebooted or something, and then it all looks fine again. Data isn't ever lost. But it LOOKS gone when you're online. Alternately, sometimes something goes weird with one of the servers. this is rare but does happen. How you experience this is that you might get a Netflix site error, but you retry, and everything is fine.

Anyway, the core functions -- adding movies to Queue, recommendations, shipping -- all that stuff is really robust. My new stuff in Community is very raw and, as you can tell by the speed with which you are seeing new features, is prone to have glitches. No fears: you're doing the right thing letting us know where the probs are. I hope it's not too irritating. This is largely why we aren't going to announce or promote these features right now. We have more to get right first, problems to tweak before millions of people are using it. So thank you for your patience and i'll let you know as we revise code to fix some of these things.

POST SCRIPT: Currently, there is a cap on the number of Faves or Fans that will be displayed -- 16 of each. You can have more, but only 16 show to you (there is no "more" page yet). To the outside, however, all of them are presented with no limit. Like i said, this is a work in progress. Add to this the fact that some folks are private, and it's been a little harder to debug this than usual. But we're on it now.

55 comments:

  1. Thanks for the wonderfully clear explanation. Everything seems to be working remarkably smoothly to me, although I'm probably just nibbling at the edges compared to some big stakes players. Am still not clear about 'fans' : wouldn't everyone who saves a 'fave' show up somewhere as a 'fan'? And yet it's just not a word that I've seen yet. Is it simply because no-one loves me? And I CAN take the truth! ;)

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  2. "wouldn't everyone who saves a 'fave' show up somewhere as a 'fan'? Is it simply because no-one loves me? And I CAN take the truth! ;)"

    Good question. Maybe it was answered at some point, but when comments on this blog go 100 deep, it's impossible to search through. Can you answer that question Michael?

    Oh, and anonymous, I'm sure there's an anonymous someone out there who just loves you to death :D

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  3. Michael thanks for the explanation.

    In my case my Faves have never shown up for me - I can only see 10 ever unless I look at them through my son's profile. He can see all of them that I have added if he clicks on my icon and goes to my page like any other member can.

    It's as if the code is accidentally written so the account owner, when there are multiple profiles, is only allowed to see 10 instead of 16 but as you said the others are in the background. However, the scrolling info doesn't include any of the "unseen" Faves.

    Anonymous:

    If someone adds you as a Fave an icon will appear in a Fan section underneath your Fave section. The Fan section isn't there unless you have a Fan. The order is:

    Faves - Icons for those you have added.
    ___________

    Fans - Icons for those that have added you.

    If you want to test this - search for the movie "Last Man Standing" and add me as your fave from the review I wrote on it. Nickname Chawk. When/if I see you on my page as a fan I'll add you as my Fave and you can see how it looks on your Fan section.

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  4. Many thanks Mac and Chawk. Still a bit shy about going out in public (hence no fans, however YES 1 Friend!!), but working on in.

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  5. Sorry - but I have to say I really dislike this whole Community setup. I realize that lots of people will enjoy it. I also believe that many people will feel as I do, and only want to interact and see information for Friends. The whole feature has become an annoyance. The only new feature I like is the Friends' activity box on the Community Home page - but it's so small, I often can't decipher the Loved or Hated selections without doing a mouse-over. Plus - we used to have a lot of this information before all the changes started (including those awful slider bars), and it was better then!

    Is there any way (and I know I've seen this request before) for us to select what appears on the page? Like a Yahoo home page - where we select the elements and placements within a framework?

    For some reason you really drag your feet at choice/different views (e.g. the whole bare understanding of those with privacy concerns, and the apparently begrudging concession) - but I'm ready to just delete all friends, or simply never visit the pages again. You've made it more and more complicated to access, and the feature is no longer enjoyable.

    All those who love the Faves/Fans/Ranking features, and need more than 500 movies in your queues, and to see scrolling reviews (I hate that feature most, I think), and want more and more avenues for movie recommendations: more power to you. Go for it. I am relatively computer literate, however, I just want basic interaction that I choose. I feel buried now, by all these new features. All I'm asking for is choice in the experience.

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  6. Another bug? I know this is off-topic, but I just thought I'd share this one:

    "The War: A Ken Burns Film (6-Disc Series)

    Average of 1 ratings: 3.1 stars"

    Don't tell me, you're using some old Intel processors, right? :-)

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  7. "Sorry - but I have to say I really dislike this whole Community setup."

    I hear ya. Just trying to be a good sport about it all. Much preferred it bare bones, totally impersonal and gimmick free. The movies themselves are really all the entertainment one needs, and the reviews, recommendations and 'Friends' were already excellent ways to find them. Oh well.

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  8. ps. Nice review CHawk - gave you a 'helpful'.

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  9. Anonymous said...
    ps. Nice review CHawk - gave you a 'helpful'.

    Thanks Anon!

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  10. The only new feature I like is the Friends' activity box on the Community Home page - but it's so small, I often can't decipher the Loved or Hated selections without doing a mouse-over.

    Sorry to keep harping on this but now I'm confused. When you all mouse over the Your Friends Loved/Hated movies, do windows pop up like on other parts of the site? I've mentioned that I'd like that feature, but now I'm wondering if it's already there but just not working in my browser for some reason.

    Thanks!

    PS: Does anyone else have to type the word verification code twice every time before it'll accept it and post your comment? The second time it's a different combination but it always take two tries. Very strange.

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  11. "Does anyone else have to type the word verification code twice..."

    Yes. Just assumed that it was protection against an auto-reader getting a lucky hit the first time.


    No pop-up on Lilliputian DVD covers chez nous; have to open up page or pull out microscope.

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  12. ps. the 4 'Unique in Brobdignag' DVD covers that take up 20% of the page , by contrast.....

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  13. "When you all mouse over the Your Friends Loved/Hated movies, do windows pop up like on other parts of the site?"

    No, Michael said something about that being a minor feature and not wanting it to be too useful...

    "Does anyone else have to type the word verification code twice every time before it'll accept it and post your comment?"

    The codes expire after about 1 minute, so if you hit the publish button after that, it gives you a new one to enter. I have posted a few times fast enough, but usually have to enter 2 codes.

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  14. Baff, Netflix really should send you a small stipend!

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  15. Michael said something about that being a minor feature and not wanting it to be too useful...

    Well, if he wanted to keep the feature from being useful that's been accomplished that with flying colors. I don't even bother to try and figure out what the little blobs in that section are supposed to represent.

    I have to wonder why even bother putting something on the page if it isn't meant to be useful?

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  16. I am kinda unfairly representing Michael on this. Several people complained about its uselessness and he responded with something like "working as intended".

    I don't think he wants it to be useless, though most everyone seems to agree that it is. Perhaps his screen is set at a resolution that those images are actually legible in some way.

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  17. "When you all mouse over the Your Friends Loved/Hated movies, do windows pop up like on other parts of the site?"

    I get a small title display on mouse-over - but that's all.

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  18. Still as clear as mud to me, given the fullness of time it will eventually sink in.

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  19. Off-topic and not really important at all, I'm just curious about something: how do users with no friends, no reviews and no lists have a ranking at all? Where is that data coming from?

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  20. @Seth Their 5-star ratings are still visible to everyone.

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  21. Do you realize how often comments devolve to sort of mean-spirited or even conspiratorial conclusions? This is just a minor example, but i think it serves to illustrate a general attitude i sometimes see in threads -- that Netflix (or I) do stuff (create features, etc.) that is intentionally problematic or sinister in some way. Or you assume we have no clue. I suppose cluelessness happens, but not often.


    On Aug 10 - before the Friends Activity block rolled out, I posted this:

    Your Friends Loved/Hated: this isn’t updating properly, but should rotate through a selection of top rated movies from all of your friends. This will also be improved in subsequent releases. AS it is now, this is just slightly better than a placeholder.

    "Just slightly better than a placeholder." Wouldn't you suggest that's a fairly accurate description of it now? I believe that is different from us being happy with the way it now (doesn't) work?

    It's not like we've been just kicking back here - since Aug 10 you've seen entirely new pages, radical new experimental features, and so on. Baff, I can see you badly misquoted me, and then did a bit of backpedaling to mitigate. ("Michael said something about that being a minor feature and not wanting it to be too useful...") but people pick up on this - particulary that you've proven your general expertise here-- requote it, and now suddenly the debate here is why I'd put useless things on the site. If you guys are trying to cajole me into fixing things, you're going about it the wrong way. The debate on privacy was interesting and informed; this needling for the sake of being a little sensationalistic will make this blog far less useful to us here. Rant done. Like you, some mornings i just need to get it off my chest.

    So:

    The reason there is no "BOB" (the pop up info thing - which stands, incidently, for "back of box") is that for some presently unknown reason, when we turned it on, it totally screwed up the way the screen was drawn. This made no sense to any of us here. And for such a small thing, it was a really bad problem. There was the go/no-go moment on that feature, and rather than kill the entire Friends Activity section, I opted to roll it out with no bob. I know this is lousy. I can't see those movies either. But development goes on, fixing it is on our list, and the rest of the features struck me as more important to get out. Subsequent to that, we have decided the features we push out each release continue to supercede the debugging of that single thing. To fix it would mean pushing out other features that I am convinced are more important. The result is that this BOB thing is delayed. I take responsibility for this.

    But for once, i wish y'all would PRESUME that if something isn't working, or isn't yet fixed, or isn't released, that it's not some conspiracy to keep you using a bad thing, or that we don't like you, or that we don't know it's broken, etc. It's only that in our considered opinion, there is something else we believe would be better to spend our time on, and that if you knew all the facts, you'd say that too. It's the presumption that is so... rude. Haven't we proven ourselves here as willing to listen? As interested in your best interests?

    Maybe I'm just disappointed that none of you would even think to rise to our defense. It's your prerogative, certainly. But it's lousy. I was going to post about next week's release... but now i'm just going to roll over and go back to sleep. I'll do it on monday...

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  22. Michael said:

    "But for once, i wish y'all would PRESUME that if something isn't working, or isn't yet fixed, or isn't released, that it's not some conspiracy to keep you using a bad thing, or that we don't like you, or that we don't know it's broken, etc. It's only that in our considered opinion, there is something else we believe would be better to spend our time on"

    It is my opinion that only a very small minority of (irrational) posters here take that stand - not that that makes the problem any better, but I think for the most part those of us with a head on our shoulders understand that you have priorities and we can't always have everything all at once. Always a few bad apples to spoil the whole thing.

    And as for "coming to Netflix's defense" - not speaking for anyone but myself here, but usually when I see people make irrational or instigatory remarks, I try to just stay out of it, because (especially in this medium) it has the tendency to set off a firestorm. Usually the best policy with Internet trolls is to ignore them. But that's just my personal stance on the whole thing...

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  23. Michael, as the contributor of the Lilliputian/microscope crack, I really apologize for my own rudeness, but it was very much said in jest knowing that much of this feature is a work-in-progress. It's just a bit difficult to offer what should be exclusively constructive criticism when we don't know what's a temporary fix and what's a finished product, and it's just not humanely possible to fulfill all the regular demands of the day in addition to reading and remembering every one of your thread intros and posts - but clearly anyone who 'quotes' you should take the trouble to find the actual quote and paste that. And please note that for every mealy-mouthed snipe there are at least 2 "awsomes". Thanks for all that you and your team are doing, and sorry for appearing to be so unappreciative.

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  24. "And as for "coming to Netflix's defense" - not speaking for anyone but myself here, but usually when I see people make irrational or instigatory remarks, I try to just stay out of it, because (especially in this medium) it has the tendency to set off a firestorm. Usually the best policy with Internet trolls is to ignore them. But that's just my personal stance on the whole thing..."

    Shaun - I couldn't agree more. The rather nasty post by anon near the top of the thread, while clearly intended to inflame, was so off base that I felt no need to acknowledge that level of idiocy. Michael from Netflix has been more than willing to embrace our thoughts and wishes concerning site functionality, as well as, open the floor for discussion on sensitive or controversial issues such as privacy. Personally, I think it is a great privilege to have this forum to express our thoughts/issues on new Community features and admire the quick and fair-minded manner in which they are handled by Michael and crew. That being said, I (for one) will patiently wait until Monday to hear Michael's updates regarding next week's release. Oh, and just for the record...

    "For some reason you really drag your feet at choice/different views (e.g. the whole bare understanding of those with privacy concerns, and the apparently begrudging concession)"

    Rude, untrue and completely without merit.

    "I'm ready to just delete all friends, or simply never visit the pages again."

    Bye bye!

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  25. Michael,
    You are completely right to feel insulted by any comment that would imply you and your team would create something unhelpful intentionally or that you make changes slowly.

    What other company do we deal with where we get to talk with the director of programming and he listens and takes comments into consideration and makes changes based on them?

    Most of the companies I work with don't give a flip about anything their customer says. You have to hang on hold for hours to get through to someone that doesn't understand the issue and doesn't care.

    Try contacting your cable company and offering them a suggestion that would improve the customer experience. Ha

    I read those posts last night and didn't agree with them. Considered posting my thoughts but decided, as Shaun said, that not adding to the discussion might help it die faster.

    Michael, thanks for all the hard work you and your team does. You are appreciated! We know you and your team are working very hard to improve the Community site and we love it!!!! And we are delighted with the blog! Thank you for it.

    Netflix is the best! There is no way I could have seen all the amazing films I'm seen without Netflix and just in the past 2 weeks since your team created Faves I have found many many more films to watch. Some movie watchers will be happy renting the top films from their local Blockbuster every week but others won't. Countless times I went to get a movie there only to leave with nothing. Here I have found 100's of movies I want to see mostly from looking through the Community features. Thank you for creating them, for enhancing them and doing more to make the Netflix experience great.

    Michael, Enjoy sleeping in. You deserve it.

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  26. I do apologize Michael. Several of my comments in this thread and others have been meant as friendly ribbing. Looking back I see that doesn't come through well since it relies on all readers understanding my sense of humor, and even then it wouldn't always be clear.

    I have been setting myself up as a knowledgeable person here and it is my responsibility to maintain the accuracy of my words, since people will give more weight to them.

    I will try to do a better job in the future. If I can't then I will try to keep my mouth shut. Please, anyone let me know if I am coming off as being rude, its not usually my intent.

    I'm sorry Michael. I'm sorry to everyone else too since my hasty and rude comments caused Michael to not give an update today. 100% my fault, not Michael's. I stepped over the line.

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  27. Baff, you come across as anything but rude, even if you did rather 'over-paraphrased' on this occasion. This is clearly cumulative from a number of nasty comments over the last few weeks, more along the lines of "what do you have to hide?" and "you obviously don't giva**** about what we think", when, as you say, we're being provided totally unprecedented access to the process and to those that guide it. This was just the last straw, so don't take it all on yourself, Baff. And I actually disagree with Shaun - sometimes we do need to tell someone that they're way out of line; just not get into a fire- fuelling back and forth with them.

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  28. And btw, I don't think that there's actually anything wrong with saying that you don't like the new community features; it's, after all, part of the feedback we've been asked for, and I'm sure Michael doesn't want a whole lot of lock-tugging yes-persons stroking his ego. It's just all in how you say it.

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  29. Thanks guys. I'm more awake now and when i re-read my comment, it does sound a little whiney... anyway. I actually do feel that our team gets appreciation as appropriate, and the non-constructive bitching is actually very minimal.

    I wasn't fishing for compliments, even though that seems to have been the result. Anyway, thanks again. Tell ya what: i'll try to post some updates on the next release sometime this weekend.

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  30. Maybe I'm just disappointed that none of you would even think to rise to our defense. It's your prerogative, certainly. But it's lousy.

    Michael, I think you may be reaching just a bit to expect Netflix members to blindly defend any plans that you may, or may not, have. We can't always know what is coming down the pike and assuming is not always a good thing.

    How would anyone who did not read and recall the post that you quoted from over a month ago know that there was more in store for the microscopic Loved/Hated deal? I've been reading the blog for much longer than that, and I didn't remember. In all honesty, I wasn't really concerned about it in the first place, so wouldn't have paid much attention anyway. I do have a life outside of Netflix, and I imagine that others here do too, so I so have to allot a portion of my brain to other things. (Yes, I mean that to be gently humorous.)

    I agree that some could have reacted differently, but this thread is pretty mild compared to some others. I'm not sure why you chose to unleash on the collective ingratitude of the entire blog group as a result of this, but everybody has hot buttons so I guess someone hit yours. What a rotten way to start a Saturday. Hopefully you are good at shaking that kind of stuff off. Saturdays are too precious to waste.

    I was going to post about next week's release... but now i'm just going to roll over and go back to sleep.

    Okay, I guess that was supposed to be a punishment, but it made me laugh. I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for the rest of this post, so I'll just keep the rest of the thought to myself.

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  31. Crap - I wandered away from my computer, drank some coffee, go the mail (pretty red envelopes! yay!) and then posted without refreshing to see if there was anything new.

    So Michael, I see you don't think that we are all just a whiny bunch of brats after all. At least not all the time ;-)

    Enjoy your weekend, and hey, don't spend all of it here, huh?

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  32. Earlier:
    "For some reason you really drag your feet at choice/different views (e.g. the whole bare understanding of those with privacy concerns, and the apparently begrudging concession)"

    Jaymikey:
    Rude, untrue and completely without merit.

    Well, it's all a matter of interpretation, isn't it? Even your take on my comments, Jaymikey. I read the whole discussion about privacy, and Michael's position came across to me as: "yeah, I'll do it, but only because after many, many posts about it, I was finally convinced there was a little bit of merit." It sounded like begrudging concession - and that was my interpretation.

    (Note: the quotation marks do NOT imply quotes from Michael's post.)

    I did not say that he does not work hard, or that he isn't trying to improve the site, or that I don't understand that upgrades take time. I don't like the way it has all been done, and I said so.

    If I came across as inflammatory - it was merely frustration at what I see as the loss of a great feature by overdoing the "improvements." I also conceded that many probably do like the new setup, and I asked to have choice in the matter. I accept that that won't happen.

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  33. Re : "Hopefully you are good at shaking that kind of stuff off".

    Jiminy Cricket, you don't think he's shown that he is?? I'd have either resigned or thrown myself off a bridge after working my tail off and getting a faceful of the occasional vitriol I've read in some of the previous threads (this one seemed pretty tame, by comparison). No, clearly all the man needed was a large cup of coffee.

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  34. Fascinating what can happen when I don't check in for 12 hours. I don't have a whole lot to add here. I think a lot has been said already. I usually don't step into conversations unless I feel pretty strongly about the topic. When people started talking about the Loved/Hated section, I started skimming over comments because I knew it was of minor importance to me and clearly wasn't in its final form yet anyway, so why bother dicussing it now.

    Maybe it's because I'm in software development myself, but I can usually tell when a feature is clearly half-baked and figure it will get better eventually... especially when so many other features are quickly rolling out the door. And I did also faintly recall you saying something about that feature, like many of the other new features, not really being "done" yet anyway.

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  35. On diplomacy:

    I don’t remember seeing, of those posting regularly here, that there is even one Mr. Rogers among us. He’s the only man I can recall ever knowing of who had a reputation of remaining unfailingly civil, generous, and gracious in both public and private life. (Except maybe Tenzin Gyatso.) Maybe he could have participated in a blog without losing his temper, or indulging in an ill-considered or poorly executed comment, reply, or joke. But you know… I’m not sure that even he could have succeeded.

    Though it’s apparent that most of us have tried to remain civil at least most of the time, I also can’t recall one person though who hasn’t failed the diplomacy test at least once.

    It is so easy to respond to rudeness (genuine or perceived) with still more rudeness.

    Personally, I didn’t take Baff’s misquote seriously because it really seemed to be a joke to me. First, Baff hasn’t made a habit of getting ugly so I had no reason to think he intended it that way. Second, because it fit so well with a common and long running joke among the programmers I’ve known… Usually also to busy to immediately address every little glitch in the works… or more commonly, every user request/demand for ‘improvements,’ reasonable or not… I’ve known so many of them to respond ironically to a user’s complaint about something that ‘doesn’t work’ with “It isn’t a ‘bug,’ it’s a ‘feature.’” The joke Baff seemed to be making just seemed to be a continuance or acknowledgment of that. It didn’t occur to me that anyone would take it seriously or see it in a different light. That’s truly regrettable… but also a common mistake.

    Anonymous 1:27, and Jaymikey, and others, including myself, at one time or other, could have been more diplomatic perhaps, but I think it would be a mistake to too quickly disregard either their points or their frustration.

    It’s difficult to express what I’m trying to say, but I think it is just as important that we each give others the benefit of the doubt as much as we are able, as it is to be civil, generous, and gracious ourselves. And even when we are positive in our own minds that lines have been crossed, that doesn’t mean we still aren’t in full control over how we take it or how we react to it. We always have that choice and responsibility, yet we are each of us only human… and bound to misstep occasionally one way or the other.

    In general, I think most of us are trying our best though.

    This whole situation reminds me of the joke about how to keep a relationship going for the long haul…

    ‘We're each allowed to go nuts, just not at the same time.’

    Baring even that… at least there’s the hopeful evidence that a little coffee, distance, time… can still lead to better understanding.

    Becky

    PS:

    Michael,

    Thanks for explaining about ‘Bob.’ I think these little glimpses of things from the development perspective really help us be more constructive and realistic, because otherwise we are most of us operating completely in the dark and by guesswork. I think we want to help, but just don’t really know in most cases what actually will. And you don’t need to work weekends on my account… I love the ‘sweeties’ as much as anyone, but I’m perfectly capable of waiting… after all anticipation usually makes the reward that much more satisfying.

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  36. Becky, since this thread has gone so totally off the rails anyway, and you were so vocal about the whole privacy thing (among many other things ;-) might I be forgiven for digressing even further in asking how you and your 'don't-even-talk-to- me-about-it!' friends are finding the new features so far? Or are y'all just ignoring them?

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  37. How do you add a current "friend" to your "faves"? I've clicked on my friend's reviews, my friends profile, etc. and there is absolutely nothing to click on that says "add to faves" or anything remotely like it.

    My friend has added me to his faves. I haven't done any reviews. Why can't I add him to mine?

    how? help?! thx.

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  38. that if you click 'remove friend' it turns into 'save to faves'. Maybe give that a shot.

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  39. You can't be both a Fave and a Friend. Thats ok though, because Friend is more than Fave. As a Friend, you have access to everything (and more) than you would as a Fave/Fan.

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  40. Re : "Hopefully you are good at shaking that kind of stuff off".

    Jiminy Cricket, you don't think he's shown that he is??


    You know, all I was trying to do with my comment (first line of the quote) was wish the guy well. I have no idea of what goes through his head when he walks away from his computer screen. From the tone of Michael's post it seemed that he was pretty ticked off. Pardon me for hoping the mood expressed wouldn't bleed over into the rest of his day.

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  41. Apologies, Clover. Misread your tone. You started out rather fierce, and I just thought Michael should be allowed to have his "why do I bother?" moment, just like the rest of us.

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  42. Clover,

    I understood what you meant anyway. I’d hate putting a damper on someone’s Saturday too, especially if I hadn’t intended to.

    It’s just way too easy to missread a comment… I know I’ve done it myself on several occasions.

    Anon 9:03,

    Sorry, I just don’t know if I can help but I’ll give it a try. ‘Faves’ are actually a steep down from ‘friends,’ so I wouldn’t drop them unless you don’t trust them to have that access to your queue and ratings, etc. (And once you did drop them how would you find them again in order to ‘fave’ them? I don’t know.) And friends just automatically show up to each other on the ‘friends and faves’ page unless they are ‘private.’ (I don’t see myself looking at my friends pages.) Also, the public facing page won’t list anyone as a friend specifically, it mixes them up with faves. That’s the way it seems to work anyway… So far I haven’t had any trouble finding the button when I wanted to. It’s always shown up on that purple slidie-bar to the far right whenever I look at their ratings or list and such. For your ‘friends’ the button says ‘remove friend.’ For your ‘faves’ it says ‘remove fave.’ If you actually did remove them, it would become an ‘add’ button instead, I’m pretty sure. That’s all I got…

    Thinking of your dilemma though, it made me wonder how you would find someone who wasn’t a ‘friend’ or connected to a ‘fave’ or ‘fan.’ I mean, say someone gave me their username, a casual acquaintance or online buddy, someone who I didn’t necessarily want to add as a ‘friend.’ If I wanted to search for them in order to ‘fave’ them, could I? Is that something that could conceivably be in the works somewhere down the road? The only method of finding people other than randomly that I know of, would be if they post a link somewhere as Baff and Anglemonkey did.

    Curious,

    I can only speak for myself, and I’m still somewhat excluded from the new ‘friends and faves.’ Since I’m still set to ‘private’ and am not likely to change that unless I can set my friends as ‘private’ at some point, or my friends decided to drop me as their ‘friend’ or something. Otherwise, I won’t be able to fully participate in ‘friends and faves.’

    Still, invisibly winding the web of fans, faves and friends has potential. Even though I do feel like something of a phantom... Right now I’m only using it to help me find all the movies I’ve seen and not rated. (sometimes you just don’t remember until you see it in someone else’s list) But skipping from Baff, to AngleMonkey, to whomever else has a high sim to me, is turning out to be much more productive than the old way. In the past week I’ve found and rated over a thousand new movies, real ratings. That doesn’t include ‘not interested.’ Using the old method it was the reverse, ‘not interested’ outnumbered actual movies I could rate, to say nothing of the countless ‘no opinion.’ And the five star rating pages load so much faster. And it’s just fun seeing how otherwise common interests can suddenly diverge drastically.

    I wonder if people realize how much you can infer, (Accurately or not who knows?) from even just their five-star ratings. It’s like people watching at a big-city crossroads. People can’t help but be interesting to other people.

    I think when the real serious movie buffs (I consider myself a casual buff.) discover it as a way to bookmark other people with interesting things to share too, winding through this vast web of movie people will be even more rewarding. I think it will encourage the truly invested to give even more time and thought to creating better and more interesting reviews and lists. I’m really looking forward to that top-list so I can find even more people like Talltale. I don’t live in a big city, or even a collage town anymore, so there is a lot of interesting stuff that I just will never hear of otherwise. Given enough time for people to notice and take advantage of it, ‘friends and faves’ could be an incredibly valuable tool. I think right now, or up ‘till now, all those productive people were largely an untapped resource. I hope some day I’ll be able to fully participate and share in that way too.

    I’m not sure what your last question meant though… ‘Who ignoring who?


    Becky

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  43. asked and answered (formerly Curious)September 23, 2007 at 1:06 AM

    Thanks for the great reply, Becky, which included a response to my last question : "....Or are y'all just ignoring the new community features?". The answer, for you at least, is clearly "no", even though you continue to insist on protecting all those friends of yours that just busted out of Maximum Security..... ;-]

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  44. Maximum security?! Wow…

    My hypothetical friends just keep getting more and more interesting… The real ones are going to start developing a complex. ;)

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  45. Would that all of us could so confidently distinguish between the real and the hypothetical ones!

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  48. You have a website dedicated to the building of a website? Hmm.

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  49. I've only recently visited the Fans & Faves feature, and I'm enjoying it very much. Viewing others' 5-star ratings, both those who rate like me and those who don't, gives me another source of finding films to watch. I hope you'll continue it as long as others find it useful too. Many thanks for adding new features from time to time. In my opinion Netflix is the best movie service available to a very diverse audience of viewers.

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  50. mitchell from NetfluxOctober 1, 2007 at 9:52 PM

    Mom?

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  51. Is there any chance we would be able to search for faves based on similar to you, reviewer rank, city/state, or anything relatively specific?

    My fingers are getting tired clicking through everyone else's favorites to find people that are more than 80% similar to me.

    The little "Members With Similar Tastes To You" box doesn't give me the info quick enough. A member search would be nice.

    Thanks ...

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  52. Hey, Talltale : Still no friends or faves? With all that great wisdom of yours, surely you know that being loved is totally meaningless unless you can love back at least a tiny bit?

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  53. Michael, in case I posted in the wrong thread earlier, just thought you should know that I seem to have the opposite issue to missing faves (flattered as I am) : namely, a sudden fan, despite having been 'private' for 2 weeks. I have a few 'faves', but this wasn't one of them, so there's obviously no transparency on the friends/faves/fans page, the most logical place. So where else might we introverts be visible, do you think? Thanks.

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  54. And btw, I have no reviews or lists.

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  55. How do remove Recently Watched instant movie queue history

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